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I posted this last week for anyone looking for help to spot fake art.  This is not law, if you don't care, feel free to move on.  But if you do care that there are fakers out there, then maybe this could be of some use to you too.  We have a serial faker on the loose on dA today so it sparked this little lot once more.  

So, the questions/scenarios asked are always the same and the responses/justifications are always the same, but give them a minute to sink in before replying and insulting.

(Q1) Why do you care if someone is cheating what does it have to do with you?
(A1) Well, this is a public ART site and if people are submitting art that is not actually what they claim it to be, then they are dishonest. This will annoy some people and not others. If your passionate about your work then the chances are you'll find it insulting to the artistic community as a whole. Additionally, a lot of admins of groups HAVE to deal with fakes as a daily occurence, so they have every right to question someone if they submit fake work to a traditional group. The final reason that I can think of is how many young people there are on this site - young in age and young in their art journey.  If you want to achieve realism and your goal is an unachievable fake, dreams are quashed.  

(Q2) How dare you insult my friend, he/she would never do that?
(A2) Really? Are you absolutely sure? There are some terrible people in the world who use the internet to groom victims. By comparison, do you really think that someone you liked via text chat, couldn't fool you just a little bit if they wanted to? Ask again and be very certain before attacking others who have a different opinion than you.

(Q3) It is definitely not a fake, no way, I can tell! He/she just wouldn't do that! Your just jealous!  
(A3) Again, really? Are you absolutely sure? 100% positive? Are the people accusing really really jealous? If not, why on earth would they do it?

(Q4) You did this because you are jealous!
(A4) Maybe they did, but make a proper assessment and consider all the options first!

So, it all comes down to perception and personal opinion, but before attacking/defending, why not go and really really look at what you have believed in the past. Maybe motives and the way things have been carried out haven't been done as you would like, but go and see if there is truth in it! How? Here's a few things if it's something useful to you.

Really look at the art in question and consider these:

* Are there inconsistencies in drawing style in the drawing? For example, is the base beautifully smooth and drawn with skill and technically ability and then the top layer scribbled? Yes? No artist who put hours into blending a perfect base would do that!! That should raise alarm bells.
* Is the gallery of the person in question erratic in ability? Yes? It could just be that they have a random selection of abilities, but if the skill level varies dramatically or improves very very quickly, it's worth questioning.
* Does the person in question make defensive statements in their artists comments before anyone has even looked at their art? Yes? Maybe they have something to hide and anticipate retaliation. Or, maybe they think using a little bit of reverse psychology will throw you off the scent  
*Does the person respond with snide, derogatory or abusive comments if you question them and then immediately block you?  Could be the fear of being caught out.  Genuine people are more than likely to defend their art, not try and put you down to cover something up.

Some other things to do:

*Go find the original reference in tineye and overlay it in photoshop/gimp. If its matching hair for hair ... chances are very very high it is fake. No one .... don't care how good you are .... no one can get every single line and hair in place .... no one!
*Can you really see the submission? Is it a tiny low res upload? Are there any WIPs? Does the artists ever show any WIPs?
*Look for pixels, quite often fake works display this and you can see it clearly ... if you really look.
*Look for ink print patterns. There are a number of people on dA who print images in a lowered opacity and scribble over the top in a haphazard and unrefined manner (the beautiful base and scribble statement above is an example of this).
*Read the materials lists, people who fake usually don't have half a clue about what they're talking about but somehow produce beautiful images. To do that takes damn hard work and you will obviously learn techniques along the way. But it's worth noting, they can just copy and paste a real artists materials list for 'authenticity'

This is just what us group admins look for initially. We have to, the integrity of our groups are in question if we don't. But the same rules are applicable to everything.
So use it or don't, make up your own mind :love:

Simone made this journal with a more technically minded view, it's really helpful too -
Deceptive Deviants.If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
This is a journal I've been meaning to write for a while but I don't know where to begin.
I'm going to list some scenarios that have bothered me and afterwards give a short comment.
Just to be clear:
- This concerns traditional art only.
- I don't disapprove or dislike all of these examples but I want all media and alterations be listed in the artist's notes.
- This is just my pet peeves.
- there are many deviants that I like that use effects.
- I'm not an art-nazi, this is for those who pretend to be something they're not.
ONE LAST UPDATE:
- This does not include correcting scanning and photography quality loss - I have no problem with that.

1. Sepia color overlay.
There are many deviants that change the color of their graphite drawings from black & white to a faded brown in Photoshop.  Fundamentally I don't have a problem with that but it should be listed in the media since


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s-p-r-i-n-k-l-e-z Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Student General Artist
My art looks very fake :( I feel guilty...
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emmagucci Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I've mentioned this journal in my latest one fav.me/d7drkc8 Please,tell me that you think about it.
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emmagucci Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hi! I don't know if you guys already talked about her amro0.deviantart.com/ Or it's ok get better from  this amro0.deviantart.com/art/Pando…  amro0.deviantart.com/art/MeGaN… to this amro0.deviantart.com/art/Beaut…  amro0.deviantart.com/art/Beaut… (I found the original one for this and every line matches perfectly)
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stonedsour887 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Sorry for reply here, but I remembered that you had written a journal on this subject. 
I'm sure at 90% that some of her drawings are also faked -> angelofpurity15.deviantart.com…
I can easily prove it, many details match 100% (especially backgrounds, hairs..). It looks like a superposition, a mix with real photo and pencils.
I hope I didn't bother you, I just wanted to let you know! :D
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Hi there, thanks for the message, I had a quick look at it looks like a mix to me too :(  I don't understand why people do this!
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Barib Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
i think this is a faker too:
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her digital art always looks like a photo and her traditional is 10 levels below...
i wrote a note on her message board maybe she answers me.
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pbird12 Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I'm not sure, her traditional work is quite good and obviously real, but I don't know the first thing about digital :( I hope she answers you :)
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Barib Featured By Owner May 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
yeah and it was not a polite answer...
i told her that her traditional and digital art do not fit together,and she said all the traditional stuff is old.but i wonder why her newest lineart is also anatomically uncorrect and her newest digital not. and while typing 2 or 3 childish message at the same time she also contact her watchers to fire against me with the"your are jealous"argument.at the end she sends a very arrogant message and blocked me before i could reply.looks like a confession to me.
maybe she is somebody who always needs attention.if you check her profile you will see she always faves stuff of user below her drawing level,so she get noticed by them.itīs watcher catching...
everybody here complains about art thefts,tracing and so on but when you ask questions your are the a..hole.
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pbird12 Featured By Owner May 28, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
It is true, people don't like to be questioned, but it is easier and makes more sense just to give a polite answer :nod:
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griffonmeister Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Hobbyist
Nice journal.
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you :)
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DanaisH Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
thak you for posting this here is Another fake artist [link]
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
This one doesn't even make me mad, just very sad and disappointed, she was one of the people who inspired me to draw when I joined dA ... I didn't know then :(

I'm glad it is of some help though :)
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DanaisH Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can tell she has some talent from her older drawings, but sadly some of her drawings are obviously fake specially the colored ones I already did the overlay to the originals and they match perfectly.
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I've seen an awful lot of evidence against her too to be honest and I don't doubt it :(
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Shywolfie Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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AeryonSun Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This is so dishonest and sad. How pathetic does a person have to be to do something like this!? Thanks for writing this and getting the word out about fakes!
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
It's terrible isn't it :( It's so commonplace that it takes all the fun out of looking sometimes. Thanks for taking a look :hug:
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Rainy0406 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I have a quick question. Im watching this girl and she is constantly advertising herself. Like she gets watchers by sending comments with links to her gallery.... and some of her stuff looks consistent but some of its doesnt quite....fit there. And in her descriptions she doesnt say anything about the pieces she just says "watch me" or links to other pieces of hers... should i be concerned that shes a fraud???
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
I wouldn't automatically think someone was a fake because she sends note, it sounds more like attention seeking or insecurity to me. It's hard to say, but if you doubt her, maybe do a few overlays to original reference to compare?
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Rainy0406 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
ok thnk you. :)
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Rockinfroggi Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012
You've surpassed yourself TT, after reading this I'm starting to wonder if my assumption that the Scottish were a backward breed may have been a tad harsh.:shrug:
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
:lmao: Cheeky Southern Sod, just because we skip round the campfire in our kilts outside our caves, drinking irn-bru and eating haggis .... doesn't mean we're backward :shakefist:
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rosedore Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012
Thank you for writing this journal, it is very helpful :)
I was wondering what fake artists have appeared this year. Could you send me a note with the ones you know, too? If it's not a bother :pray: I would appreciate it very much :thanks:
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
No problem at all, I'm glad it was helpful :hug:

I'm being a little bit wary of passing on info unless it's to group admins, I don't want to spread gossip, I don't think it's fair, I hope you understand :fingerscrossed:
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rosedore Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012
:aww:

Oh dear, sorry for asking in the first place :( Yes, I completely understand why you don't feel comfortable sharing it with some random person you've barely talked to before. I didn't think of it as gossip, just talking about artworks on an art website. So I hope you can excuse me for asking you that ^^;

I am familiar with the more "successful" fakers that have appeared over the years, but, as I haven't been on dA much this year, I couldn't find the new ones myself.
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Please don't be sorry, it's no bother at all, I just don't want to be a meanie :giggle: There's nothing to excuse :hug:

It's getting harder and harder to spot the fakers to be honest, it's all very sad and ruins the site for me ... and I truly love it here :sniff:
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rosedore Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012
That's not being a meanie. Art should also be critiqued not just admired. Those who expect only praise for their work must be new to the art world -_- So what if someone accuses you of faking? If you're real take it as a compliment, prove it and move on.

Aha, so the "art" of faking art has been evolving over time as well. I see that the "drawing over a print" technique is the most successful. People are fooled so easily this way. If it has pencil strokes then it must be real and artistic too :no:

I know how you feel, I'm sad because of it too, but don't let it ruin the site for you. There are loads of real artists that make being a part of this community worth it.
And don't worry, the new fakers will disappear in time or start drawing for real like it happened before.

There's just one older picture I'm still not sure whether it's real or fake :confused:
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
I agree completely, it's a shame others can't see this :nod:

I'll take a look at the picture your doubting if you like?
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rosedore Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012
I'd appreciate it :aww: This is it: [link]
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
This one is controversial, I sent a note :giggle:
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Rowena-White Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
is there a new witchhunt going on? seeing so much journals about that girl.
faking art and it still does not look that good (my opinion)

the girl i was ranting about last year still gets more and more watchers, but the amount of comments and faves have decreased a lot :boogie:
And the comments on the stubleupon page are very encouraging , at least of some people.
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
It would seem so :nod:

Last years wasn't good but too many people believe(d) in her and at least the faked things looked good, these are a bit of a joke.
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Social-Misfit Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2012
The people who fake it don't even hold a candle to you.
Even using photos, they still can't beat a real artist :)

If you could Note me your list, I'd appreciate it. I run 12 groups so I'm sure I get my share of fakies.
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you so much for being so kind :hug:

I've sent you a note too :)
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Social-Misfit Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2012
I appreciate it so much! :hug:
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Ashtoreth Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2012
So I'm pretty sure I know who you are talking about and the 'drawing' in question. I took a look at it myself and without wanting to sound like some snobbish, self-important arse I don't think its even that good, especially with what she has the potential to do with a fake piece of art. There is no depth or contrast and in the small parts where there is some nice detail its obvious she hasn't drawn it in contrast to the rest of the piece. As most of the picture is actually devoid of any small, neat details. She used the argument that she has had 'qualified' tattoo artists look at her work and be impressed. Stating that these tattoo artists that employed her know more about art than anyone on Deviant Art. I pointed out that this argument is null and void, as a tattoo artist myself I know for a fact that there are a lot of tattoo artists who don't even know how to draw. She just made herself sound very arrogant and ignorant. Especially when saying their art 'qualities' are superior to people here, this I find a joke especially seeing the quality of the artists posting in this journal, lol.
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
I saw your comment on her page and you have it right, she is pretty much who everyone on this journal is talking about :)

You don't sound at all snobbish or self-important, it's absolutely true, even if they were drawings, they're really not very good at all. It's a puzzle to me, but I guess they must have something if all these people love them :shrug:

I laughed at the tattooist comment too you know. I've just very recently been to see a tattoo artist after he wanted a look at my work (long story and not very exciting for you, so I'll leave it at that) and he literally said to me that many tattoo artists aren't all that great at drawing and most of the people who come in to see him are crap ... so her justified argument is childishly hilarious and really just highlights everything I dislike in a person.

She is very young and when she comes into contact with the real world outside her internet based fantasyland, she is in for the shock of her life I have no doubt. Some of the artists I've seen her argue with and tell them they are jealous of her, is quite unbelievable, how anyone can have that kind of self-assured arrogance is beyond me :facepalm:
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Ashtoreth Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2012
Well its nice to see you agreeing with me on the fact I made sense and not because I am tots jealous of her wikkid mad skillz ;) One of the first things you learn in the tattoo industry is that you don't need a crap ton of drawing talent to become a tattoo artist. But the best generally do. To be honest my drawings looked like that when I first started a few years back, without the perfect proportions of course. The thing that irks me is her shameless self advertising like she is some hot shit. Surely she can compare her work to those out there far more talented... even people who do trace stuff, because I still class that as art, and notice that she is average and acknowledge that she has some room to grow. Her facebook page has an entire album of fans taking photos of themselves with little signs they have written saying how awesome and how pretty she is, lmfao...wtf. I cringed so hard when I saw that. I have no problem with how she does her 'art' but she promotes herself as something entirely different, its false advertising.
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
It seems she's been around for a long time and, going by all the evidence around, her face isn't her own and her hair is photoshopped on, so the facebook 'oh my god I love you photos' don't surprise me very much :lmao: Basically she is a self manufactured edit. She left a great comment on her page yesterday about being famous and having adoring fans ... you should check it out :)

The tracing thing is a bit 50/50 for me, I do agree it can still be art and many many artists use it, but that's a whole other discussion that one. In the tattoo industry and certain other areas, I think it's essential though :nod:

She is false advertising personified, that's for sure!
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spanner88 Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Sorry Im new to the whole spotting fakes...
But how is NM's drawings fakes?
Not defending... Just curious...
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
I've not actually named anyone here, even although it has been implied. But her drawings are fake nonsense ... you can see both proof and lots and lots of discussion on the most recent journals here :iconpriscillaw: and here :iconzakkiya29:

You might want to sit down, there's a LOT of reading here.
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aRtUSSELL Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I wrote the following to a certain Gabbi3Ram0s around midnight yesterday. I am not saying it was down to me, alot of deviants were giving it to her good 'n' ard but her account was closed when I checked for a reply this morning. I was a little sad if i am honest. I at least wanted a bit of beef to contend with... Anyway, I wrote the following:

"Gabriela, The issue here is that genuine artists spend hours working on a portrait, spending days scrutinising and analysing references in order to make a realistic representation of a face."

"For you to come on here in the knowledge of the before mentioned, uploading photo-shopped images of celebrity faces, then shamelessly accept all the praise and credit for something that has taken a fraction of the time and a fifth of the talent to produce, when compared to the time invested by a genuine artist; who has spent a lifetime perfecting their skills, and truly deserves such acclaim. Well my dear, I am afraid you can expect nothing less from deviants on here than to be very angry at your lack of ethics and blatant dishonesty."

"Do not think for one second that this will stop anytime soon. I have been on Deviant Art long enough to see many a fraudulent art account close, either by the web-hosts themselves or by the holders of such accounts, owing to the torrent of abusive messages. In all fairness, as fakes go, they are not even the most convincing fakes I’ve seen. So stop being silly, there’s a good girl. Surely there’s a more productive way to spend your time."

I am glad a composed it on a word document first, otherwise such a rant would have been lost for all time.

Incidently, I seem to have been bitten by a small blood sucking flying insect. It's probably a gNAT, MORELY than likely. It could of course just be a mosquito. I don't want to cast aspersions one way or another. Bloody itchy though. Very irritating.
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zakkiya29 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Excellently written!
What you wrote just sums up the feelings of many here!
Brilliant!
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aRtUSSELL Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks. Sadly, I feel it will take more than a clever statement to put an end to the true Antichrist of Fakery. The fight continues.
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acjub Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Sharpen your pencils swords!
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AngelasPortraits Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ooooh .... excellent comment!!
Can I copy and paste, think I might need it soon:hug:
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aRtUSSELL Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Be my guest. It would be a pleasure. :)
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pbird12 Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Haha, good note! It's so very annoying all this faking and rubbish ... what a pathetic way to get your name out there, I don't know, if you can't draw go and find something you can so! :confused:

:laughing: Those pesky gNats are very troublesome, get yourself a big swatter and be done with them :D
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aRtUSSELL Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The thing I don't understand is the time and effort spent keeping her falseness under wraps. All the comments you would have to remove and commenter's that would need to be blocked. If she spent half the amount of time practising and actually drawing as she spends policing all her social network accounts, she would probably be a fairly good graphite artist by now. It just testament to the society we live in today. Everybody want the fame and the notoriety but no one wants to put in the work. The creators of Big Brother, X-Factor, Pop Idol etc. I swear if I had a God-Hand, I'd Grrrr!... I'd Grrrr and I'd probably never be able to work out were to draw the line and end up wiping out most of the human race if I am totally honest.
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